SONY's new HT 4K Laser Projector VPL-VW760ES

[MrPixels]

Say hello to SONY's new HT 4K Laser Projector... VPL-VW760ES

http://www.pro.sony.eu/pro/lang/en/eu/product/projectors-homecinema/vpl-vw760es/specifications/#specifications


And here’s a VIDEO of it at IFA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4lpUNDBz0M

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

SONY VPL-VW760ES = JVC DLA-Z1/RS4500 KILLER?

"The Sony VPL-VW760 is the direct attack on the JVC DLA-Z1/RS4500. In fact, Sony's new projector strikes the Japanese competitor in all aspects:

• It is quieter;
• It is brighter (with DCI P3 colour space);
• It offers higher native contrast with better black levels;
• It has a better image resolution upscaling;
• It has better dynamic contrast functionality and control;
• It has higher ANSI contrast;
• It has better motion performance and accuracy;
• It has better noise reduction;
• There’s less light loss through the zoom;
• All this at half the price !!!

Bad news for JVC! The Z1 has been afflicted by technical problems since launch. Our forecast: The Sony VW760 wins best projector at the price range up to €40,000 unrivalled."

And to add to this we expect that the HDMI sync times will be less as well!

[DCI forum]

Arrow can you confirm Digital Reality Creation/Motion Flow (same thing? as the spec sheets list these on two lines, but can be read as motionflow: DRC) will now work on 4K sources?

Now the question of Sony 15K verses JVC 8K? Less clear cut than the JVC 8K vs the JVC 35K.

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

Not yet... as preliminary information only so far...

[w.mayer]

SONY VPL-VW760ES = JVC DLA-Z1/RS4500 KILLER?

"The Sony VPL-VW760 is the direct attack on the JVC DLA-Z1/RS4500. In fact, Sony's new projector strikes the Japanese competitor in all aspects:

•  It is quieter;
•  It is brighter (with DCI P3 colour space);
•  It offers higher native contrast with better black levels;
•  It has a better image resolution upscaling;
•  It has better dynamic contrast functionality and control;
•  It has higher ANSI contrast;
•  It has better motion performance and accuracy;
•  It has better noise reduction;
•  There’s less light loss through the zoom;
•  All this at half the price !!!

Bad news for JVC! The Z1 has been afflicted by technical problems since launch. Our forecast: The Sony VW760 wins best projector at the price range up to €40,000 unrivalled."

This is a copy/translation of the writing from Cine4home see here:
http://cine4home.de/die-eneun-sony-vpl-vw-260-vw-360-und-vw-760-im-detaillierten-cine4home-test-ueberblick/

I do not understand why Cine4home always play the Z1 down.
It is a expensive pr. that is not quiet but so far i know it have a very nice picture.
I also not understand why he never talking about the super good optic that the Z1 have.
This Optic is at least as good as the Optic Sony use in the VW 5000.
The Optic in the VW760 ES is very likely the same Sony put in the VW 520/550 and this optic is by far not as good as the JVC Z1 Optic or the Sony VW 5000 Optic.
We all know what a good optic can do compare to a medium good optic and he know it also.
For me it was a huge disapointment the Sony not ask for 3000 or 4000 Euro more and put in there VW760 the good Optic from the 5000.
I know more than 4 people include me (till today) that will now not buy the VW760 as they all like to see the good Optic inside and they like to pay for it.
For me I will be now not upgrade my VW520 in my holiday house as original was planed.
Sony should put the 5000 optic inside and ask for a bit more money.
Sony think they have to have this low price but the missunderstand that the lost more than the gain as many know that the Optic is a too importend part of a Pr. especially for a high end 4K Pr. with good true 4k content.

[donaldk]

This is Werner's interview with a Sony rep. on the 760:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EXX18tpHiw

Can we have bigger windows for youtube video's please?

[donaldk]

I saw the spec sheet is linked in the news section. here it is.

[w.mayer]

Nice Video from Thomas

I have contact him today and told him the complain that many people include me are hoping for a better lens in the VW760.
It is very pity to have a such good pr. with only in best case a medium good lens.

Some additional info.
It is more than likely that the native on off cr. level the VW760 have will be compare to the VW5000 higher!
Knowing that depends on the adjustment from the optical zoom it was in the 15.000:1 range with the
VW5000 we may can expect near or over 20.000:1 native cr.
Do not know about Ansi cr. but anything more than what the 5000 have is nice to have.
At least this was the feedback I have hear from IFA Show from different people.

If true WOW the best on of Cr. from a 4K Pr. home cinema pr.in the world!

[w.mayer]

New Infos say yes it is true with the cr. increase.

Also may a good news was that i have hear that the Lens get some updates.
So it is still the same lens as they are in the other models but Sony told me that they enhance the quality compare to older one.
Lets see when first sales units hit the marked in October/November 2017.
The one at the IFA show at the moment  as well the one that will be CEDIA in few days is only
a prototype may 80% ready.

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

New Infos say yes it is true with the cr. increase.<\q>It's definitely true... Seen it with my own eyes!   

[donaldk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuOk_zDjm8

[donaldk]

Vincent Teoh got his hands on one at (the) UK distributor, did some measurements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt82QC_oOTM

[lygren]

I´m getting my hands on one of these in 10 days too (also the pre-production though), a mighty fine candidate for our soon-to-arrive CR spectroradiometer (+ K10A for calibrations of course, CR will only profile, but perhaps also placed a bit more optimally than Vincent seems to be doing with his K10, although I´m sure that placement was just for the video shoot... ... Still, 90% of P3 via blue laser and phosphor without the use of a filter is pretty impressive if these measurements turn out to be correct... We also have a DLA-Z1 (RS4500) in the showroom - at least for the time being as it has just been sold to a movie production company - but I´m hoping that my aging memory will at least remember 1 week back in time. I guess the JVC will still be sharper and provide more light in rec709 mode, but I am looking forward to see how the Sony does it in terms of contrast. If contrast is better, it is my clear opinion one can "survive" less light output...

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

I´m getting my hands on one of these in 10 days too (also the pre-production though), a mighty fine candidate for our soon-to-arrive CR spectroradiometer (+ K10A for calibrations of course, CR will only profile, but perhaps also placed a bit more optimally than Vincent seems to be doing with his K10, although I´m sure that placement was just for the video shoot... ... Still, 90% of P3 via blue laser and phosphor without the use of a filter is pretty impressive if these measurements turn out to be correct... We also have a DLA-Z1 (RS4500) in the showroom - at least for the time being as it has just been sold to a movie production company - but I´m hoping that my aging memory will at least remember 1 week back in time. I guess the JVC will still be sharper and provide more light in rec709 mode, but I am looking forward to see how the Sony does it in terms of contrast. If contrast is better, it is my clear opinion one can "survive" less light output...
<\q>Well I'm glad you said it Jon... I made a post about Vincent not profiling his Klein 10-A colorimeter using a spectroradiometer to the particular display and environment, which is necessary because without doing so the colorimeter won't be accurate, but I then deleted it because I didn't want to seem overly critical. But you're right, he didn't do his calibration optimally.

Regarding the contrast performance of the Sony 885/760ES expect a native contrast performance about the same as the Sony 5000ES and JVC RS4500/Z1, namely circa 10,000:1 - 15,000:1 depending on influencing factors. Unfortunately, because Sony has for reasons unknown not included the manual mechanical iris feature of the 1100ES there is no option to close down the iris and boost the laser level and thereby increase the contrast performance. You can do this with the JVC RS4500/Z1 as well. Consequently, the overall contrast and black levels performance of the JVC RS4500/Z1 will be a bit better than the Sony 885/760ES. That said, we can expect the Sony 885/760ES to produce superb performance in other areas which should make up for the comparatively lesser contrast performance.

All of the first generation HT native 4K laser projectors suffer from a reduction in contrast performance as compared with their lamp based equivalents, produced via a combination of 1/4 sized pixels and 4 times the number of pixel borders producing increased light scatter and reduced interpixel contrast performance, exacerbated by a subpptimal light/optical pathway. I'm hoping that we will be seeing an improvement in contrast performance with the 2nd generation of HT native 4K laser projectors, but for the time being we will be seeing lesser contrast and worse black levels performance from these projectors as compared with the likes of the JVC LcOS eShift D-ILA projectors. But like I said the other areas should balance things out such that this projector produces a superb image for the price... Well the UK and European price at least!   

Also, congrats regarding your purchasing CR spectro... These are amongst the best in the world and it's what we use (CR-300 specifically) so great purchasing choice 

[donaldk]

I did wonder why Peter had to arrange one being sent across the pond for Barco to have a look, with these being around in Europe;-). I did start to doubt my memory, but you deleted your post.

I am willing to speculate that the laser might bounce back on an mechanical iris? Eventhough it is not as powerful, nor as coherent as an RGB laser source. There may be many more reasons, including keeping it simple, or leaving upgrade path, all the usual speculation;-).