TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE

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Moons of Neptune are TO BE existing famous installations where we may have supplied one brand of components , kaleidescape, teranex, Barco, Ada, and other , Typical Do It Your self cinema aficionados where we contributed something useful we hope..

ENTER ATMOS, QUESTED, and Trinnov 3D remapping.

The rave reviews from super-perfectionist Dr. Jeff is now resonating with chatter in the UK forums and as far as Malasya and Thailand, the message is clear, even the most modest of the Quested speakers are powerhouses  ideal for a 32 channel Trinnov Altitude systems being rolled out as we speak.

So it was kind of a shoe in that an existing 7.1 wisdom 75 with dual wisdom monster subs be augmented with the hot commodity RIBBON speakers in the 3d sound era.

The owner must have read this forum because he seems to trust the atmos/trinnov/quested approach pioneered in Russia's ALBIORIX. And hammered down with Brett Crocket and his backroom labrats. The system should also do Auro/DTS ULTRA perfectly as well.

At Cineramax we want a screen that is either wall to wall floor to ceiling or both, TRITON is BOTH a 21 foot wide cinemascope no less.

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Cinema Triton

Lt24
6 heights
6 sides

Lt8iw
6 ceiling

Lt8
4 widths

2 rear 18 subs on channel 17 make wisdom subs 1 channel.

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changes were dismissed sticking to all ribbon speakers for homogeneity.

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This Statement by Tony Grimani is one where we more than agree, the width channel is crucial:

"Wide speakers, placed at about 60 degrees from center, are arguably more important than the heavily hyped ceiling element. One of the most challenging areas of the sound field to reproduce correctly is the transition from the screen speakers to the sidewall surrounds. All too often, pans jump abruptly from one to the other instead of moving smoothly. Wide speakers address this by adding a physical sound source between the two points rather than relying entirely on phantom imaging. Ceiling speakers (particularly toward the front of the room) perform a similar function in the vertical plane. They create smooth pans from the screen speakers over the audience and eventually to the back wall of surrounds. Thus far, vertical flyovers in mixes are less common than the ubiquitous off-screen side pans; hence the reason I would prioritize width speakers rather than ceiling speakers.

HE ALSO SAID
As with any speaker, placement, coverage, and aiming are critical. Wides should go at an angle that is roughly midway between the left or right speaker and the first surround speaker on the side wall. In most rooms, this will be about +/- 55-60 degrees from front center. If you’re dealing with a narrow room, be careful that this doesn’t put the wides excessively close to the seats. Remember, you don’t want to blast people in the face. Most screen speakers have wide horizontal dispersion, but it never hurts to confirm they are wide enough to cover the entire audience side to side from a closer distance. It should be self-evident by this point, but you must aim the wides at the audience like a screen speaker. Don’t just sink them flush in the wall to fire across the room at each other. This would put the entire audience at an extreme off-axis angle with poor frequency response and spray sound in parts of the room it’s not needed.

The first pair of ceiling speakers should go midway along the lines between the primary listening position and the L/R screen speakers–perhaps slightly closer together. If you opt for a second pair, they should go over the audience the same distance apart as the first pair. The ceiling speakers must also cover the entire audience and avoid spraying sound unnecessarily into places no one is sitting."

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Here are the existing Left Center Rights and side surrounds that will stay put.

http://www.wisdomaudio.com/pdfs/datasheets/Wisdom_L75_datasheet.pdf

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Digest my proposed implementation of 4 different variants of Trinnov Remapping to create the ultimate 3d formats soundfields.Optimized for Atmos, Auro, DtsU and to deal with a beautiful view on one side.of the cinema.

Before you start screaming window theatments they are there. Simply sometimes is more civilized watching a movie with the lights of the city below.

View simulated please no fact checking Donald .

Remapping Variant-1 Robust Width Channels properly positioned-indispensable.

Remapping Variant-2 Variable positioning of the foremost screen height channels
from behind the screen to forward of the screen to satisfy ATMOS, AURO, and DTS ULTRA requirements.

Remapping Variant-3 Create additional surround speaker locations at surround speaker level floating virtual speakers in front of view.

Remapping Variant-4 For Auro side height speaker angle correction.

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pdf for legibility

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Accepted as excellent implementation by both Atmos residential and commercial technical departments.

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6 sides, 10 heights, 4 channel for biamped widths plus one rear sub...uhm

Time to look at the 4 surround l75 crossovers to be handled outside altitude.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXbRmDAsl70

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FINAL

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7 CHANNELS BI AMPED TOTAL=14 TRINNOV CHANNELS

FRONT 2 SUBS -ONE CHANNEL 1 TRINNOV CHANNEL
REAR 2 SUBS-ONE CHANNEL 1 TRINNOV CHANNEL

18 LT-24'S 16 CHANNEL TOTAL 32, CHECK!

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In an hour long conference call encompassing three time zones The client, Curt Hoyt and I hammered down all the details of this historic full 32 channel implementation AUTOCADS to follow.

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HERE ARE THE NEW DTSX CEILING HEIGHTS

Even though this was a circular room, it's clear the exact same Auro approach.

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http://livedesignonline.com/blog/adaptive-technologies-unveils-stargrid-mounting-system-overhead-cinema-surround-speakers

Unique Speaker Grid Paves the Way for New Cinema Surround Sound Experience

SIGNAL HILL, CA, FEBRUARY 12, 2013 — Adaptive Technologies Group, comprised of Allen Products, ATM Fly-ware and Adaptive Video Walls and Displays, and a premier provider of state-of-the-art rigging and mounting solutions for a wide range of audio and video applications, is proud to introduce its StarGrid™ overhead mounting system, specifically developed for clustering ceiling-mounted cinema speakers. This new system, which supports the latest ceiling speaker formats found in movie theaters, is designed to reduce the cost of multi-channel surround sound installations.

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With digital cinema and 3D exhibition becoming state-of-the-art, directors and studios have begun implementing new object-based surround sound technologies, such as the Atmos™ surround format from Dolby Laboratories™ and the Auro format from Barco, to compliment the enhanced visual experience. Recent examples of this include the films Brave, Life of Pi and The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, to name a few, as well as upcoming titles such as Star Trek: Into Darkness. Adaptive’s StarGrid system supports the adoption of such technologies with a safe, easy-to-install ceiling grid that reduces total installation costs and optimizes the installation of surround speakers.

Cinema exhibitors are taking advantage of the StarGrid system and quickly recognizing its impact on safety, ease-of-installation, as well as the confidence and predictability that Adaptive designs bring to each of its theaters.

“The engineering and design behind Adaptive’s StarGrid system has enabled us to complete our overhead installations quickly and confidently in order to meet our client's ever-shrinking installation timelines,” says Adam Peterson, director of technical services, Universal Cinema Services. “While an auditorium is under renovation, it isn’t generating any revenue. The StarGrid allows us to get in and out of an overhead installation fast, in order to help the client get back to selling tickets.”

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Proper placement and aiming of speakers in a cinema setting is vital to achieving the desired audio experience. Not every facility, however, is designed the same way. To address this, Adaptive has developed a complete beam-to-speaker design that allows the StarGrid system to be easily retrofitted into almost any theater’s space. This system comes with a variety of components that accommodate most building materials and structures, including trusses, beams, pipes and channels. Further design considerations take wire management, sound isolation and seismic conditions into account. Lastly, Adaptive offers a variety of adjustable speaker mounts that accommodate standard cinema speaker models, including those produced by Eastern Acoustic Works (EAW), Electro-Voice, JBL Professional, Klipsch, Meyer Audio and QSC Audio.

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“With Adaptive’s StarGrid there is finally a structurally engineered ceiling speaker attachment method that’s perfect for cinema,” says Jim Kappus, director of sales and logistics, ACS Enterprises, Inc. “It is a safe and risk-free method for properly installing overhead speakers.”

For this customized solution, Adaptive can provide the installer with a complete ceiling grid design based on facility drawings that includes dimensioned drawings for installation, a bill of materials, working load and safety factors, as well as auditorium-specific recommendations. Theater owners need only provide Adaptive with the drawings (preferably CAD files) of the facility and the placement of any acoustic wall treatment. Adaptive then creates the installation design for installers to follow, detailing the exact location of the ceiling speakers and the grid components that support them. This can also provide support for the submittal of plans for approval.

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“It is really exciting to once again be a part of another major cinema technology build-out,” says Paul Allen, CEO, Adaptive Technologies Group. “For decades we have worked with leading theater chains and speaker manufacturers to develop cinema specific surround mounts for walls. With StarGrid, we have created an easy way to safely and efficiently install ceiling surrounds in auditoriums, making the whole process more predictable and less costly for theater owners. Adaptive has had a long history of supporting sound innovations and we are happy to continue this tradition with this latest offering.”

About Adaptive Technologies Group

Adaptive Technologies Group combines the talents and disciplines of Allen Products, ATM Fly-ware and Adaptive Video Walls and Displays, and offers state-of-the art rigging and mounting solutions for a range of audio and video applications. With its combined divisions, Adaptive is a full-service solution provider, by way of the design, development and manufacturing of professionally installed AV mounting and rigging equipment worldwide. Each brand offers its own standard and unique time-saving solutions, best safety practices and unlimited custom designs for any venue, size and application.

In addition to providing a wide selection of popular mounting and rigging solutions, Adaptive is a major resource for hundreds of commonly used and often hard to find rigging hardware and fastener items. Based in Signal Hill, California, all overhead products and parts are made and assembled in the USA. For more information, visit http://adapttechgroup.com.