BEST PROJECTED IMAGE FOR HT AT CINEMACON 2019!!!!

[donaldk]

Now we need an ADL scale for the 608 to see if it holds up. I guess it doesn't have dynamic contrast(?), so in that case absolute blacks will be less than JVC/Christie, Sim2 to be seen. But how will it fare upto 5% or 10%, if 10K:1 it will be specced a bit less than the JVC, Christie, and even the Sim2 at the top end. Of course 12 bit signal path is a plus compared to HT projectors.

There definitely is some action in high-end projection again.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

With Respect to the amazing work by Nigel, for which he is commended thrice over. At Brad's he brought with him an 8.5 by 11 pad handwritten with 35 check list items, a bit OCD but admirable.


There is an eye comfort ultra-cinematic element to this projector that I have never experienced before. the ansi, colorimetry and lack of artifacting is beyond anything I have seen for SXRD, MIND-BOGGLING GOOD stop tormenting over ADL, the overall balance is an extremely seductive image that is instantly reminiscent of a fresh 35mm print. Take it from the arch enemy of the 5000. I want one. And i thought i was done with Projection.


This projector should be in all post houses. AND ABSOLUTELY i can be quoted that lcos blu phosphor color is caca, strike that, was caca until the r608 which is 15 percent better looking than the r-815 which is no slouch.

[gwthacker]

Peter
Thanks for posting your insights on the new Sony. I'm murky on this-- we know some general specs but not the lumens? I can't imagine this only has 2500 lumens. It would seem that the next round of Sony high end projectors would be in the 8-10k as has been rumored. Is CinemaCon the only place anyone has seen this in the states?

Curious as to how the picture you saw stacks up to the new SIM2 DUO.

George

[Art Sonneborn]

R-608 rules!!!! forget everything else.

Art, I know that i am not stating what you like to hear but trust me, there is only one projected image that is at the very top for sheer eye candy out of the box. The r608. I shall be proven right in the future like in the past with rtrinnov, and alcons, barco crt 9 inches faroudja etc etc.


Can you point to my opinion here so that the forum be aware of what is best. Trust me. Thanks!

<\q>


Peter, I'm not doubting your subjective evaluation at all which I respect. I'm in the habit of seeing things first if it is of interest to me before writing checks. Not always so easy to do. The specs concern me though since the contrast and light output are both below my stack thus a lateral move in some parameters by my definition. The duo is in the same place for me since there is no way I'm going back to 1080 not to mention again lower light output than my stack so a lateral move.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

I fully agree with your situation, but could you point the 608 thread at AVS forum to this one, so that people have an excellent option to what the three leading mass acceptance trends currently are. This projector is the real deal not something to dismiss at this point in time. Because the specs are true and accurate because of the automatic color cinema calibration, not the wild west free for all where each calibrator achieves a different result from each other, which lamentably is the case in Home Cinema Projectors.


Thanks, I want my voice heard, that's all. I feel it is a worthy cause.

[donaldk]

Peter
Thanks for posting your insights on the new Sony. I'm murky on this-- we know some general specs but not the lumens? I can't imagine this only has 2500 lumens. It would seem that the next round of Sony high end projectors would be in the 8-10k as has been rumored. Is CinemaCon the only place anyone has seen this in the states?

Curious as to how the picture you saw stacks up to the new SIM2 DUO.

George
<\q>

Publicly, probably yes. I know it was shown at ISE under NDA, off show floor.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Peter
Thanks for posting your insights on the new Sony. I'm murky on this-- we know some general specs but not the lumens? I can't imagine this only has 2500 lumens. It would seem that the next round of Sony high end projectors would be in the 8-10k as has been rumored. Is CinemaCon the only place anyone has seen this in the states?

Curious as to how the picture you saw stacks up to the new SIM2 DUO.

George
<\q>


Hi George, Am not convinced that recreating an OLED in giant is possible with projection without its own set of issues, I have seen the Christie proto with 3p lasers 1st peek,, the concept while interesting and showy has moved away from the film look, the small dlp home projectors although loaded with Dynamic this and superecreation that don't have the optics and color of DCI xenon hc. I Sorto allowed the DUO to happen in the theater with the screen chosen without protesting, it is ok considering the other options available then.  In my view there have existed no projection options for the last 4 years.  I had kissed projection goodbye. Sony took one of the most annoying projectors where the celebrity calibrator cedia infocom demos made me want to cut my veins and my circadian cycles would be whacked for days after , to now wanting back into projection.

If the guys at the high-end forum attended Cinemacon instead of cedia, the whole home theater market would be in a much better place. Next year is definitely the year to pilgrimage to Mecca, for the unveiling of the LightSteering Technology. For now, there is only one projector in the world for me, the 608. It could be more than 2,500 but it was the optical filters that made such image possible with blue phosphor.  I don't want to torpedo the efforts of the sim 2 aficionados, I was the bird dog that saw the duo at first and called Alan CES15. It bothers me that the two installs I have involvement in there had been convergence issues, which were later resolved. I don't like uhp when driven hot, light blue blooms to cyan green. It cheapens the image.

Let's just say I tacitly tolerate the one image except for the Clockwork Orange Eye Lid Forcep torture effect I get on the front row , whereas the 608 rocks my world. I could sit 4 feet away and it would be amazing clean that you can almost palpate 35 cellophane film with a xenon light behind it, and the cr. is honest and quite higher than the best-modded xenon dci projectors, and with a lens mod it can go to fifteen. And it is quiet. No comparison.

They have cleaned up the mtf and bumped up the ansi, and whatever they did to the reflective layer changes last year, literally lifted a layer of fog from the image, this projector is so clean looking they should move to 8k soon, because the technology will support it well now. Throughput Wise. The lens same of 5000 on a flat screen is excellent. This is what the 5000 should have been all along.
<\q>

[donaldk]

Sony exec told IBC conference many, many, years ago that Sony had (had) 8K SXRD panels in its labs. This clearly never led to anything. JVC does sell 8K panel based projectors, but JVC EU director told me at ISE a couple of years ago that the 8K panels are larger and did not equal the 4K/HD panels' quality, main issue being the surface not being completely flat. No information as to the current status of 8K panels/imagers.

[Art Sonneborn]

I fully agree with your situation, but could you point the 608 thread at AVS forum to this one, so that people have an excellent option to what the three leading mass acceptance trends currently are. This projector is the real deal not something to dismiss at this point in time. Because the specs are true and accurate because of the automatic color cinema calibration, not the wild west free for all where each calibrator achieves a different result from each other, which lamentably is the case in Home Cinema Projectors.


Thanks, I want my voice heard, that's all. I feel it is a worthy cause.

<\q>


Done


Art

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Thanks buddy!

[Peter CINERAMAX]

My friend Jarod Reddig wrote in the cinemacon 608 thread that Art so graciously added in avsforum.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...l#post57985640

"Maybe Peter has been looking at LED walls so much lately that going back to seeing projection sucked him back in! lolId say it could be a lateral move too Art but im just on the outside looking in."

LOL.
Not the case, the walls are amazing, and the skylounge concept is a worthy cause, The San Diego thing will be a thing to die, but i need to have something that I can look at at home bigger than a 85" I am sorry world but there is simply no other projector with this level of looking out a window image fidelity, this tech is ready for increased resolution, namely 8K.


I am so in love with this image that A) Im going to replace the Barco at the Carl Fisher Estate with it, if they can get me an advanced model soon. So you will be able to experience it there, but B) I know people don't like Torus screens, fraidy cats, no problem, I will place one in my Jetson Skylounge and pair it with The RealD Ultimate screen.


Just like I paired the first faroudja with Barco 9 inch crt's at stereophile 94' at the now Trump Doral, where the years of investment and R&D was unceremoniously absconded by these two THEN scoundrels, and then Joel tremendously redeemed himself with amazing contributions and personally forgiven but not Sam, copycat, cheat!. , He went five times into my demo as it beat the living crap of his NEC based demo.





The Runco 908 so many of you bought circa 1996 (at the time you thought was the beginning of High End Video cinema), well I had that stuff peppering Miami 4 years before. Yes that tech was discovered co developed here by me. Sio I claim to be a top eagle eye and it would be beneficial for all home theater lovers to forget the purported specmanship and see the ultimate image.


CF Estate pdf is the original article when i kick started the age of DCI Home Cinema. Actually this was my second install of such.


Trust me when I tell you, I am not mincing words, all of you at avs need to see this so you realize what projection should be. Seriously. Not trying to sell anything except promote the most visually stimulating projection sensibilities.


Cheers!

[Peter CINERAMAX]

news on Friday.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Sony exec told IBC conference many, many, years ago that Sony had (had) 8K SXRD panels in its labs. This clearly never led to anything. JVC does sell 8K panel based projectors, but JVC EU director told me at ISE a couple of years ago that the 8K panels are larger and did not equal the 4K/HD panels' quality, main issue being the surface not being completely flat. No information as to the current status of 8K panels/imagers.
<\q>

The reason that could not happen was because prior to the 815, and including the 5000 IMHO there was fog in the image, the ansi was too low, the resulting MTF was not there, the image suffocated, and  was bluish, whatever they did, I BET one of my private parts SONY WILL BE SUPER SUCCESSFUL with 8K SXRD. You heard it first from me, because they cleaned up the electro-optical path by more than 50%, so they can up the res now.


In the 80's the BVM 1910 was the reference post monitor, this is the new reference grade for post. FROM THE HATER OF THE 5000, sorry to keep repeating but it underscores the gargantuan, commendable improvement.


The 608 is the projector with the ultimate in eye comfort by which it saves projection from an early demise. When other projectors are trying to poke your pupils away the sultry rewarding image is like looking at the Hottest of Babes.  You will all agree watch.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

https://www.sony.com/campaign/SNA/pd...Paper_v2.3.pdf

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Bear with me I know a lot of you might not like the truth of the genesis of the R908, but it is a lesson in colorimetry and MTF.

There is a salient Picture Quality COMES FULL CIRCLE Connection to the Story about the genesis of the Runco 980 that is front and center at the discussion of this thread, It involves the "Improvements" made to the BV1208 at the time Barco gave the exclusive to Runco for the 1208 projector that I had displayed in Stereophile 94 with "Best In Show" and "Home Cinema sensation of the show" exhibited playing Betacam component video of Al Giddins Gift Of Life, underwater eye candy, it was a third generation copy.


What Runco at the advise of Joel and Joe Kane did to the Barco 1208 to convert it to the R-980 besides the standard Runco paint job, was to add a Blue Gel filter so that it would track closer to D-65 back then when colorimeter science was at it's infancy. Also they may have had the contrast limited and the sharpness set to the minimum. When I saw the R-908 at Ces 1996 i was taken aback by what the IMPROVEMENTS had done to the image: It had a bluish Tint that in my view was a desecration of the wonderful image I had put together with great pain over the years, that signature Barco color and paper whites was gone, furthermore the life of the image had been completely sucked out through some kind of severe ansi and MTF degradation caused by the additional filtering and the sharpness set to off. "They had destroyed my Baby." I was seriously disappointed.


It is that same type of bluish tint, and the haziness that comes endemic with a blu push that had put me off on the current incarnation of the 5000. What the SR-608 has done by implementing the DCI Filters to the higher power 5000 platform (the 8 in 608 represents the increased laser power over it's sibling prior to filtering and DCI compliance). Well folks this is the reverse of what was done to the Bv1208 in order to become the R-980. A sin undone.


The perfect projected image comes full circle thanks to the 608's tempering of that inorganic looking bad image parameter: Blue Push.


Reference Image quality has come full circle,from Natural looking to blue in 1996, and from Blue to natural looking in 2019. I am stoked!