Help me understand my 2K projector

[fraza44]

All,

  It's been several years since I posted on this forum.  Back in the day (4 years ago) I purchased  a Digital Projection Inc (DPI) Highlite HL10000K  HD projector and all though I only had a chance to view it in my work shop because of the 220v electrical requirement, I never forgot the picture it made.  I didn't end up using the DPI because of the 220v, the db level, the size, and the heat.  But I've always wanted another 2K projector so in Jun 2018 I pulled the trigger on a used Sanyo PLC-HF10000L 2K, 10000 lumens, LCD projector.  Now I know this isn't a DCI or DLP projector but no one is discussing anything related to 2K projectors over in the AVSForum so I thought I would try here for some guidance.

Now if you'll bear with me I will tell you why I'm IN LOVE with this projector

1. I currently have an Epson LS10000 mounted on my ceiling and the Sanyo will replace it as soon as I get back home from Afghanistan.

2.  The Sanyo is very light and small for a 2K projector, 60lbs and WxHxD= 20.9”x10.6”x29.8”.  I can lift this projector very easily.

3.  It's surprisingly quiet for a 2K projector, 39 dBA in eco mode

4.  It's 10K lumens with 2 lamp but I've been running it on one and it's very bright on my 120" diagonal acoustic screen.

5.  One of the most important things, it's 110v electric.

6.  It has very large 1.64" TFT Poly Inorganic LCD panels with QuaDrive.

On the picture quality, this is an LCD projector which can look every bit as good as a 3 Chip DLP 2K projector, the picture has depth, saturation, and a solidness that look like DLP.  I think this has allot to do with the size of the LCD panels and the lens quality.  The lens is huge with a nice weight.  This is a link for the only review I could find

                    "https://www.audioholics.com/projector-reviews/sanyo-plc-hf10000l-2k"


So now that I have this thing, I need to start learning about the best way to set it up, what signal feed it and how to calibrate it. 

Question for anyone willing to help me out?

1.  Should I feed this projector 1080p or purchase a video process that can do 2K.  I was thinking about one of the Lumagens which would also give me the AutoCal with 3D Luts?  I already own a Lumagen XE and I've always enjoyed the AutoCal and 3D Lut capabilities of the Lumagens.

2.  I plan to watch Bluray movie and HDTV so should a calibrate for Rec 709 or try for P3, with 4:4:4 deep color.  I think this is a 10 bit projector.  It has a HDMI 1.3 port with HDCP, a DVI.  It also has a SDI which can be purchased. 

That's about it for now and sorry for the long post.  I've attached the Spec sheet for any interested.

Andre

[donaldk]

The Sanyo's are quite old by now, Panasonic bought the company and phased out the (larger) LCD projectors and Sanyo brand name.

It is bright only at the end there was a 12K lumens model. 10K lumens was the limit for many years.

Its contrast and blacklevels should be much worse than the Epson LASER HT projector.

For 120" why switch?

So, it beats your Epson? Not just in brightness?

[fraza44]

DonaldK,

    Yes, the Sanyo has some age but from what I'm seeing, it throws a very beautiful picture, in comparison, the Epson LS10000 looks dull  and 2D while the Sanyo is bright, punchy, and gives a 3D depth to quality source material.  This is one you have to see to believe.  I've owned many of the older "for commercial usage" high end projectors and I'm always surprised at how better they looks than the current Home Theater products.  I think the reason we don't hear how good these products are in the home is because not to many want to deal with the issues that come with trying to adapt commercial grade projectors to home environments, it can be challenging. 

I don't mind sacrificing some shadow detail for a bright, colorful picture.  I only had a small amount of time to spend with the projector (20 days) before I had to return to Afghanistan but with in that time I was able to determine that I want the Sanyo mounted in my theater as my primary.  I can't wait to see what a Lumagen Autocal with 3DLut will do for this projector.

I also picked up a Extron DSC-301 HD video scaler which put out 2K, this was just a temporary measure until I can get my hands on one of the newer Lumagen that will output 2K.

Andre


The Sanyo's are quite old by now, Panasonic bought the company and phased out the (larger) LCD projectors and Sanyo brand name.

It is bright only at the end there was a 12K lumens model. 10K lumens was the limit for many years.

Its contrast and blacklevels should be much worse than the Epson LASER HT projector.

For 120" why switch?

So, it beats your Epson? Not just in brightness?
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[donaldk]

The Last Sanyo 10K (they were sold by many other brands, including EIKI and Christie) I saw in action was at least 10 years ago, at ISE there still was a black-cloth shoot-out/demo area for larger projectors. It looked 'LCD' with a lot of lightwash. This one on paper seems better. I seriously doubt the LCD panels themselves are anything above 8 bit though, 10 bit lcd did not arrive till (much) later. I even doubt its video chain will be ten bit. 8 Bit should be plenty for SDR though.

So are people charging an arm and a leg for the old lamps now? That's the issue with older UHP projectors, getting lamps for less than a new HT projector. On the volume side there is still enough interest from (s)vga and xga users in the education market for Philips Lighting/Signify to make 200W 10K hours bulbs.

[fraza44]

Yes, this version of Sanyo was offered by Eiki and Christie and I've download all the manuals related to each projector to see if each company did any kind of modification for there specific branding and couldn't find any differences.  The Eiki Spec sheet which I've attached states this "10-bit color processing, for superior color reproduction".  Manufacture for this series ran from Nov 2012 to Apr 2012 and the 1.64 TFT panel are the newer for that period Inorgan panels which were produced by Epson.

Remember Epson was the first to come out with a 4K LCD Panel back in 2009 which was also a 1.64" TFT but supposably it never made it into any 4K projectors.  I wonder if that  LCD panel ended up in other projectors.


Andre

[donaldk]

The Sanyo productsheet is copyrighted 2010. The Eiki one 2011, so the production did not start till 1-1.5 years later (i presume you meant November 2011)?

Indeed the Eiki productsheet states 10 bit twice.

1.64" imagers are indeed huge even then. Only time larger larger LCDs were used was in the huge single LCD lightcannons (uhm 3K lumens) by Barco and the likes.

Given your emphasis on 2K, you did see this:

2K is fully supported only via the optional Dual-Link SDI Input Module.<\q>

[fraza44]

Yes, I saw that but I wasn't 100% sure what this means because I've pushed a 2K signal to HDMI port using the Extron scaler.  Does that statement mean I will not see true 2K via the HDMI or DVI port.  There is no HDCP on SDI or has something come out which can at HDCP to an SDI port?

ANdre


The Sanyo productsheet is copyrighted 2010. The Eiki one 2011, so the production did not start till 1-1.5 years later (i presume you meant November 2011)?

Indeed the Eiki productsheet states 10 bit twice.

1.64" imagers are indeed huge even then. Only time larger larger LCDs were used was in the huge single LCD lightcannons (uhm 3K lumens) by Barco and the likes.

Given your emphasis on 2K, you did see this:
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[donaldk]

I believe there have been some hdmi-dvi to sdi convertors that did edid management, but can´t say exactly which ones. However if you don´t have the 'optional dual-SDI input module' the issue is mute, i guess. You can feed an 2K signal it says, but this says it scales it, probably to HD:

*Note: 2K may display via the built-in DVI-D or HDMI inputs, however
2K is fully supported only via the optional Dual-Link SDI Input Module.

[fraza44]

Well if this projector looks this good doing 1080p then I have to see it doing 2K.  I happen to have an AJA HA5 HDMI to SDI/HD-SDI Video and Audio Converter at the house.  It's left over from the days when I purchased the DPI Highlite HL10000K which had an SDI module but no HDMI.  I no the AJA doesn't have any kind of HDCP and I would have to purchase an SDI module for the Sanyo and right now the ones on Ebay are way more then I want to pay so I'll keep an eye out for a better deal on one.

Thank you for taking the time to do the research and get me straight about what I was seeing on my screen.  I'm still impress with the Sanyo even at 1080p.

I've attached the Owners Manual for the AJA HA5 if you don't mind taking a look to see if you think it would work for this situation.  Getting the right piece for this projector is going to be key but I think the HDCP is going to cause problems.

Andre

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