Re: SAMSUNG The Wall

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Nice, this specification set is for the 4k the wall professional driven by the sno3 controller with its Commercial Graphical User Interface, they had given us an lcd 65" wall module and we were using it to develop the Crestron module, but alas we are now waiting in San Diego for the 8k Luxury Module, now I have to get a new 88" to develop the module, as it behaves like a home tv and uses something other than the sno3 controller.

Cheers!

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

Careful Peter, I think you will find that information is currently confidential and bound by Samsung NDA... You should have received both NDA and Non-NDA versions of new product information from Samsung and you are only permitted to publish and/or discuss publically that information contained within the Non-NDA versions. I recommend that you either delete or edit your post accordingly before you get into trouble (again)  

[Peter CINERAMAX]

TO THE PERFIDIOUS ALBION.

STOP REPORTING ME TO SAMSUNG FOR AN NDA I HAVE NOT A COPY OF. SECOND CEASE AND DESIST WITH THE CRIMINAL PROMOTION OF STEINWAY LYNGDORF AS SUITABLE TO COMPLEMENT A SAMSUNG THE WALL. ANY SYSTEM THAT BASS MANAGES UNDER 80 HZ TO THX SPECIFICATION IS ALREADY NON IMMERSIVE, STEINWAY LYNGDIORF BASS MANAGES  AT 200HZ, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN INCOMPETENT CHARLATAN IF YOU PROMOTE SUCH SYSTEM TOPOGRAPHY.

SAMSUNG NEEDS STEINWAY LIKE A HOLE IN THE HEAD. Not also did you go crying to Samsung but you placed me on some sort of SONY shitlist for criticizing the 5000 and the vaporware cinema unit. I have proof of sony harassing forum owners about my free speech posts.

You are just jealous that I am changing the future of home cinema in California. have done the very best 4 systems in Europe, and now am installing a wall in the finest home in Miami.

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

TO THE PERFIDIOUS ALBION.

STOP REPORTING ME TO SAMSUNG FOR AN NDA I HAVE NOT A COPY OF. SECOND CEASE AND DESIST WITH THE CRIMINAL PROMOTION OF STEINWAY LYNGDORF AS SUITABLE TO COMPLEMENT A SAMSUNG THE WALL. ANY SYSTEM THAT BASS MANAGES UNDER 80 HZ TO THX SPECIFICATION IS ALREADY NON IMMERSIVE, STEINWAY LYNGDIORF BASS MANAGES  AT 200HZ, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN INCOMPETENT CHARLATAN IF YOU PROMOTE SUCH SYSTEM TOPOGRAPHY.

SAMSUNG NEEDS STEINWAY LIKE A HOLE IN THE HEAD. Not also did you go crying to Samsung but you placed me on some sort of SONY shitlist for criticizing the 5000 and the vaporware cinema unit. I have proof of sony harassing forum owners about my free speech posts.

You are just jealous that I am changing the future of home cinema in California. have done the very best 4 systems in Europe, and now am installing a wall in the finest home in Miami.
<\q>Oh for Heaven's sake Peter. I just did you a favour warning you such that you could remove your post before SAMSUNG noticed it and reprimanded you (yet again) for repeatedly breaching the NDA, of which you are most certainly governed by, just as every AV dealer is, without exception, despite you claiming to the contrary.

Therefore, if you've upset SAMSUNG (again) then that is entirely of your own doing, as per previously, and please kindly leave me out of it. If I wanted to land you in it with SAMSUNG I wouldn't have bothered to have posted that friendly warning and suggestion that you amend or delete your post, would I? So I'm guessing that SAMSUNG did indeed get wind of it and you've received (another) reprimand? Well my advice it to stop breaching the NDA!!! I suppose I put a gun to your head and forced you to publish the pricing in breach of the NDA as well? Oh wait, no I did not do that either!

You are being completely paranoid as is also proven by "you placed me on some sort of SONY shitlist for criticizing the 5000" where again your venom is misdirected my friend, because you just directed that toward the about the only other person who has a history of being openly honest and critical about the performance of that particular make and model of projector. Just as I was about its positives, like I do with all AV equipment. I tell the truth and provide the full picture (pun intended) warts and all. I also feedback the various issues to the respective manufacturers as constructive criticism such that they can (hopefully) do something about it. I did this not only with respect to the SONY 5000ES but also recently with respect to the new model, namely the 885/760ES. Go and read my thread on AVS regarding this and you will see I speak the truth. There were (and still are) a number of issues with respect to that projector that folks should be aware of when considering purchasing it. So you just directed your rant at one of the only AV professionals who is truly impartial and unbiased and openly talks about everything that's bad as well as good regarding AV products, and this includes the SONY projectors just as it does the JVCs and others too. Well done sir!

I'll simply ignore the rest of your rant, because I think you are better than this.

You need to grow up and start acting professionally. You know more about AV than the majority of AV professionals. Throwing a tantrum and your toys out of the pram just because you don't like someone else promoting a particular AV product that you've taken a liking to, does you a disservice and only embarrasses yourself.

You've taken 1 + 1 and made 13 Peter. I am not the enemy, why would I be? I don't even do business in California! And you market to a completely different geographical location as me (despite your 'claims')! So you are not even my competition and I am not yours. With respect to you having "done the very best 4 systems in Europe" well I think it's best that we don't go there, don't you? I'll just say one word, namely: 'Walter', who disagrees; and I'd rather not go into the details because it won't be good for you. See? If I was truly your enemy I'd nail you to the wall using the truth about this. But I'm not going to do that in the hope that you will finally realize that I'm not the enemy nor should be the target of your very misdirected attacks! That said, this is not to say that you haven't done some exceptional and big AV systems in the past, just not in my geographical marketplace. 

Also, you have my email address and personal telephone number... so why post this openly on a public internet forum? Why not simply call me or send me an email? And I'll refer you to my previous recent email to you wherein I said I was looking forward to checking out your demo at CEDIA and that it had the potential to be the best at the show  or at least on par with what will inevitably be another superb Trinnov / Alcons / DreamScreen demo of whom I am personally a huge fan, just as much as Steinway Lyngdorf, whom you are wrong about by the way, but let's leave that discussion to another time.

Now I would like to respectfully suggest you delete your post and I will delete this one. 

I have said this before and I'll say it again, you and I are on the same side and should be friends. You can't have the whole world to yourself Peter. The sooner you realize this the better.

Let me buy you a drink at CEDIA and you will hopefully realize your attack is misdirected and you can tell me all about what's wrong with Steinway Lyngdorf  Come on let's be friends

[Peter CINERAMAX]

I challenge very sound system designer in the world to come close to my Wallscreen-Skylounge HOLORAMA QUADRASPHERIC antireflective audio system with the 27-year runway on audio for MICRO LED WALLS...

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

Not one speaker reaches to 40, therefore un-holographic, this association is doomed... All speakers need to go down to 40, period.<\q>
This is not factually correct Peter. You are wrong about Steinway Lyngdorf and you are wrong about what you say here. Sorry!

I challenge very sound system designer in the world to come close to my Wallscreen-Skylounge HOLORAMA QUADRASPHERIC antireflective audio system with the 27-year runway on audio for MICRO LED WALLS...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ultra-hi-end-ht-gear-20-000/2994868-rocktober-quad-fest-new-holoramax-skylounge.html
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Looks great Peter. I expect that's going to sound amazing. I'd love to come and experience it sometime. What's your ETA regarding completion? 

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Thank you for the excuse to light a fine Cigar in the morning.


Tell me how this is not happening here?


Sometime around Art Basel Miami should be ready.
. The first jobs in Miami and San Diego with Luxury walls will be the standard to follow, my humble system is less than 150k, and that is mostly the most extensively advanced curated LIBRARY of Kaleidescape Eye Candy in HDR and other excellent transfers, with Multidirectional concussive  bass holographic audio ever put together on the History of man, anyone selling the wall without a well-curated Kaleidescape demo is doing Samsung a disservice, only DCI promises to look better.

Yet this rather inexpensive system sounds 85% percent as good as SOLFAR and PROMETHEUS II. Excuse me but if you are trying to sell a great Soundsystem with the wall, WHY TAKE MONEY FROM THE BARGAIN TABLE with a 450K Soundsystem when the 135 grand system sounds just as good. Or better, I am a much better friend of Samsung than most are because I leave the entire budget except 150 to Samsung, help them sell bigger walls this way. Nothing wrong with that.


PIANO BRAND association for Lyngdorf has been perceived by real European Captains of Industry I raised the subject with skepticism those with which I exclusively have been plying my Art with for a decade, they did not fall for the ODD association what is it? The Wood, The lacquer? okay, maybe a little bit BUT HOW ABOUT THE GLARING ANTIHOLOGRAPHIC OMISSIONS? I want Samsung to sell many walls, let's not take so much money out of the wall sale with a ridiculously expensive sound system and Crestron controls nor expensive acoustical designs for which already made solution have existed for 25 years.  I WILL DEFEND any counter-attack and attempt on AUDIO HOLOGRAPHY with Multidirectional Concussive bass, it has taken 45 years to perfect. That is the wall sound done right.

Just watch the upcoming barrage of youtube testimonials.

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

Thank you for the excuse to light a fine Cigar in the morning.

Tell me how this is not happening here?

Sometime around Art Basel Miami should be ready. I am not going to try to diminish your accomplishments and commendable due diligence, it shows great potential, it is simply MISGUIDED, why? Because you believed CEDIA. The thing is the reemergence of HDR questions everything CEDIA laid down since the adoption of ISF standards and THX standards, this industry is a cabal of prostitutes preying on a perceived gullibility of the American consumer to exploit their reward mechanisms for working hard, nothing but that. To make matters worse the UK being the common linguistic association stepchild of this ILL conceived standards society wish really has run its course, the house of cards will fall, I was doing all of this right in 1994,  whence Joel Silver who is getting a lifetime achievement award , and I admire his laterworks,  the thing he has skeletons in the closet form the very beginning,  namely ME !!! Case in point that to be succesful you do not need a conscience.

So you have been led by the blind, if i see honesty in you charater I will show you the meaning of life by doing what you love, CORRECTLY.
<\q>I am not interested in arguing with you Peter, because it will clearly serve no purpose. You continuously seem to feel the need to bash Steinway Lyngdorf with factually inaccurate and/or incorrect misinformation for some reason. You are not correct; and it is in fact your observations that are misguided, not me. As it happens I have absolutely no bias or affiliation with respect to any particular brand or manufacturer. It is not the case that there exists only one high quality audio brand and everything else is garbage, which is what you seem to believe. And don't start stating stuff about me that's not factually correct or accurate either please. You just insulted all of Steinway & Sons, Lyngdorf, The United Kingdom, Joel Silver president of the Imaging Science Foundation (ISF), CEDIA, THX, and me... So I think this is where I get off and let's call it a day.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Go ahead and run to mami now,

I call out ANY company that shoots sound at a micro led, because they were not due diligent for testing that for 25 years like I have in Miami . Not Steinway and Sons although for the real pianist a Bosendorfer might be the brand, I call out anyone putting loudspeakers inside walls as it destroys imaging , I call out any company not using column speakers away from the walls for the same reason or a suitable concussive bass speaker like the Kii audio or cardioid like the MEG, I call out Tom Holman for bass managing at 80 Hz and taking humanity down the drain, and in Particular those columns that PL demoed for me he was saying that high bandpass worked, but my ears were saying No It does not. It definitely localized where they were located

Am I just the only one that doesn't sugar coat and puts the enthusiast first? FYI am as hard on me. 

If I call out the icons for complacency I am either an idiot or I am right, you are given your chance to test my rig. It is the next great audio topography for micro- leds. And when DCI comes to the wall, know that I was the very first before anyone in this forum implementing DCI at home in 2007.

The fact is that whether you like me or not I Am already MICROLED  HT ROYALTY. SOLFAR and PROMETHEUS II are the Palaces where the state of the art of the Wall will dwell. I have been working around the clock and sell nothing but WALLS since 15 months ago, find a more committed dealer that puts all eggs on the basket and spends hundreds of thousands of their own money perfecting every ergonomic and technical aspect of the wall experience before they show up. Why? Because it is the holy grail of visual reality HDR recreation as I have been seeking before the creation of the isf.












https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNyTVvJ1zZasf8U4vecYHBhZS0-OMQjcqdfadtGa57cFYNnyU3yV-lAc35XqwKQbA?key=UzJadHYzTmU3cUF4YmJReklYWWFzRWRie FlSbUF3

[Absolute Ultimate AV]

According to the spec. sheet at least the freestanding multi-cone speaker does offer some sounds below 40 Hertz.
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That is just one example of a very great many wherein Peter CINERAMAX has been and continues to post misinformation (and in an incredibly unprofessional manner as per usual), bashing a brand that he clearly does not properly understand how their audio products operate, nor in fact as much as he thinks he does regarding audio, given the stuff and nonsense that's being posted here, such as the total garbage regarding 'all speakers must go down to 40 Hertz'; wherein, I should not even be having to discuss this, let alone explain why it's just WRONG WRONG WRONG. Unfortunately, I don't have the time, nor inclination to continue to be insulted by an overgrown child...

...So I am simply going to stop posting on this forum 

Bye 

[donaldk]

So, we need to post your sammy info for ya .

I can't be a judge here, but can provide my hnest lay-man's opinion, like I did at ISE when you asked at the Lyngdorf demo room. After Peter Lyngdorf stepped aside, I told you the little demo we were standing in front off, boomed and rumbled a bit, that was my first impression. Something I would not expect from such a simple demo from such an high-end vendor.

It reminded me a bit of the distorted audio at the 2006 Super Hi-Vision demo, where the room was too full, and even a speaker or two were knocked over. That's how far my experience goes, one revolutionary audio system per decade, NHK did 22.1, not sure if it was scaled down for the demo, I believe so.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Donald the lone speaker in the line that goes down low enough is the rear laser shooter. That speaker with a Torus screen would have sound coming out of some very odd directions. With a solid glass surface not so extreme but very very bad in my view.

Well if Steinway Lyngdorf is so good why did I get the Rave award for best CEDIA Demo in 2016 and had Gary Reber the editor  of Widescreen review and producer of many AURO 3D discs say this in CEDIA 15 (they competed as well):



All I see from you is MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING. Thanks for copying and improving the wall spreadsheets that I have been doing since  May 17. I will use your version for my sales presentations, nicely done thanks! And you come to Florida to measure the sim2 are blown away but for some reason, you do no one a favor by not telling the truth to the world about what you measured. Which reinforces the reason I suspect your motives are underhanded on everything, a probable PERFIDIOUS ALBION.

Don't tell me i do not understand how the Steinway Lyngdorf works. I spent a whole day with Peter at the Pacific Design Center, I can assure you of what it does not do. Sonic Holography. What is needed for the Wall? It is a great sounding also ran HT system, Not a High Adrenaline Engulfing tour de force. boring.

When I say that you need the speakers to do 40 Hz IT IS A STRICT REQUIREMENT for HOLORAMA SONIC HOLOGRAPHY.

[donaldk]

[member=509]ARROW-AV[/member] all I saw was that blooming Smurf lights demo at ISE, so how did the Joe Kane/Alan set up Sim2 HDR set-up perform?

The B speaker was the one promoted with the Wall. The in-walls we see are not of the same quality/specs.? I don't know which models these are, only the New Model-B speaker, and the ...100 procesor are identified.

I have criticised Peter many times over the years for superfast switching of (speaker) endorsements in such an absolute manner, but now things seem to have settled down to Quested, Alcons, and Dynaudio, depending on the application.

We will have to wait and see when each of your demo rooms are completed. Nigel may update us on his room's current status, and whether he is still considering Lyngdorf processing, or settled on something else, or not (yet).

I believe you have accepted the invitation to visit'sPeter's system, so all we need is an invitation extended to Peter. I can't wait to read/hear both of your impressions of the other's design.

Both of you are promoting audio systems of your own design, for use with hard surfaces, screen or other surfaces, hopefully we can learn more about the design (principles) used, here or in a dedicated thread. A pure/mere shouting matching is not the most fruitful, in this case, I prefer dialog over discussion.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

Columns,
Columns are an easy way though not perfect to extend the reach of directional bass 40-80hz from the surrounds to the single-seater MLP to get kicked around from many angles (here is a primer on getting kicked around Gentle Giant Blu Ray Audio Power and Glory and Mantis scene in atmos Goosebumps), a highly enjoyable subwoofer experience more organic to the way humans are wired than the one-directional boom boom boom. With those 2 scenes and 10 more close to the vest, I close any potential THE WALL client instantly (2 down 20 to go), because this is something our DNA craves for and not one other HT Guy has been able to identify and exploit. My First Art, like the Barco Projector 9" CRT with the Faroudja contracts and agreements with me, who developed the whole market for 3 years to be circumvented with malicious aforethought and viciousness through a huge Runco order orchestrated by who?  I Created High-End Video and the person responsible for the Chess played coordinated heist is getting a lifetime achievement award this CEDIA.

There are many many witnesses to this egregious though perhaps legal Intellectual Property theft (Welcome to America you stupidly naive Cuban Cineaste)  like the ex-model shown in my Avatar and her Family. And then when one complains the BLACKLASH, that is how the Industry works. Good luck to the UNCREATIVE trying to recreate the HOLORAMA experience, the furtherest you will get is the intense migraine overcompensation phase, sticking my tongue out:  I have cornered the market on HOLOGRAPHIC IMMERSIVE AUDIO for the Wall. But I digress.

Quested new Solfar series uses air motion transducers like Steinway for their airiness and agility but the woofers are not 5,6 and 7 but 8, 10 and 12. Inside surround columns, stadium shaped three layer main towers, and immersion canopies ovehead, these are altitude 42 channel.

These surround columns incorporate cardioid subwoofers in the width and surround 2 positions made by Musik Elektronische Geithain. The inventors of Cardioid near Leipzig. They come with a special bass Test CD where you stand in front of the woofer and its a very intense Level protrusion of 2.5-3 meters reach. You stand behind the column and there is NO bass.



After I sell my system to one of my high school friends I will work with Geithain next spring on a narrow column solution that has the CINERAMAX DESIGN LOOK and less utilitarian east German, made for the Miami "Wallscreen-Skylounges" My Trademark and injunction to the INDUSTRY, in General, to cease and desist with the really stupid notion that a dedicated HOME THEATER really is.

As of today everyone doing a home theater is doing something worse than this, at least WITH WHAT I NOW KNOW. Why am I being such a Monster to my colleagues? THE CREATOR OF WORLDS THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS , I have never feared becoming Galileo and don't care what the Industry thinks because they are simple apparatchiks of the KNOWLEDGE TECHNOLOGY MACHINERY making millions manipulating the masses and producing nothing but exploitation of the great USA with low standards. I am a patriot at the forefront of American ingenuity and innovation but blackballed for life for refusing to accept the lower standards. For being Cuban too we are generally blacklisted because of something that happened after the Spanish Civil War [NARROWCAST that was unfair but that MY FAMILY Was the lone exception at the moment, for wish a waiver is due me, but yet they ignore their own most hollowed rules].
https://youtu.be/270SrdFIpTY


Dynaudio New Confidence series
This one is great for larger systems, they are beautiful too.

Dynaudio Contour Series
These are postmodern and medium priced, some nice finishes.



DYNAUDIO EXCITE SERIES- THE BEST BARGAIN SYSTEM that will blow away many many The Wall Soundsystems at Every Price.



This is what I propose for the Samsung the Wall which will leave money for the customer to buy an extra 3 The Wall Cabinets and then some.

They look identical to my Focus series that is nearly 40% more. You will hear things in the soundtrack when deployed in our proprietary HOLORAMA Quadraspheric sound system like Bob Oser says "that you would not have imagined where on the Movie track". The Best thing you will ever hear.

Necessity is the mother of invention: I had a great sounding Mid  21st Century Specifically designed not to shoot sounds to The Wall  that did not match any of the expensive Cineak seats i have designed over the years. But what If I could match the look of the speakers with the furniture, voila not so bad.







A nice abstract rug and I saved buying 75,000  worth of speakers to move to my target market, where my building is connected by Monorail directly to all the luxury buildings with the helipads and the car elevators. All being built by my clients form 10 and 27 years friendship.

To YOU KNOW WHO, I say Watch and Learn, be righteous that is the best way for everyone. Let me do what I love, Cuban or not. You will benefit from it as you very well have for already decades.


How much of a Bargain creating A Wallscreen Skylounge Luxe experience using the ridiculously inexpensive HOLORAMA CERTIFIED Excites?

Let's quantify.

4 Dynaudio Lyd 48 tops 5,000
4 Dynaudio Excite 44    11,000 (these are really 20,000 speakers all day long, most honest entry to HOLOGRAPHY on a WALLSCREEN)
2 Dynaudio Excite 38      3,900 cone of confusion exploitation recreates 10 channels behind the MLP accurately yet phantomly -way better!
2 Dynaudio Excite 34      2,800 cone of confusion exploitation recreates 10 channels behind the MLP accurately yet phantomly -way better!
Total speakers cost    $22,700 for better sound in a "Wallscreen Skylounge" than every cinema, home cinema and atmos mix room anywhere.


$4.900 Marantz and $7,995  for an ATI signature 6000-6, system cost $35,000 A BARGAIN! And You just found enough change to pay for the wall and the required Kaleidescape Strato 40 terabyte system with bluray music and DVD audio music changer. AND the system is very conservative on noise ordinances automatically except 11:am- 4:30pm  when it can be turned to 100 without distortion.

Because NO appleTV allowed, and No UHD Inferior quality UHD Player allowed. The only three video sources are Samsung Smartv apps, Kaleidescape Strato and Skylounge 32x video robotic telescope, another invention of your truly that Has Biscayne Bay Wallscreen-Skylounges written all over it. The system adjusts the image and the sound to Every Kaleidescape, DVD-Audio and BluRay Music Only automatically via CINERAMAX INSIDE cloud based AI. Im finetuning your shit on the fly on a per title basis, what a Humble Royal!

HOME CINEMA IS DEAD, LONG LIVE WALLSCREEN SKYLOUNGES!!


So, ladies and gentlemen, THAT IS WHY HAVE a price on my head because I am a Genuine American Patriot defender of the upper middle class.

https://youtu.be/LM3sr8Quutw

https://youtu.be/b3k0m5sM6lQ

Still from a Female acceptance factor columns will get objections, but you cannot put speakers in the walls for many a reason, worse in a condo...

The future points to something like the Kiii Audio which I might get in the future to integrate into invisible deployable cabinet work, for that I will work with Italy's Greatest Designer, Massimo Iossa Ghinni.

[Peter CINERAMAX]

As I said Instant backlash, ask me if i care.