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This is my response to Art Sonneborn's question about addressing the audio side of things as more and more walls are implemented in the home cinema. Posted here in the other forum. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...ls-future.html
"I know several of us here have dedicated rooms that are designed around an acoustically transparent screen. Some like me have a screen which accounts for the lions share of the front wall. I was wondering what folks think about the future since it appears that wall solutions are the future and audio solutions for rooms like ours will be dramatically different and perhaps yielding less satisfactory results sonically.
Any thoughts?"
YES! Plenty! As some may know I refocused my manufacturer product customization efforts from High-End Projection ( The Barco Thor HC is the last projector where my input was heavily implemented) to Personally Space Invasive Immersive Audio, after attending the Gravity Premiere at the Room Where Atmos was developed in Dolby Burbank. The capacity to be able to hear sounds around my head blew me away, some may recall me saying I will now refocus my efforts to this new exciting aspect of home cinema. From Psychovisual trickery to psychoacoustics trickery.
Unfortunately due to the lower count of objects in home audio and due to Dolby's really inferior guidelines when it comes to speaker positioning, I tried and tried and tried to recreate this personal space invasion to no avail, My demos with alcons won three years best in show but it was clear that the allocentric rendering espoused by all home theaters where you worry about all seat coverage at the sacrifice of all, rectangular shaped theaters I later found out are relatively new in the scale of human evolution. Our DNA is more comfortable elsewhere.
Neural-X Pro, however, something we were able to push DTS as catalysts to the Trinnov DTS-X PRO Release ( all we take credit is for bugging the crap out of the Director of Home DTS and spamming him with our penthouse project design documents) using our SOLFAR WALLSCREEN SKYLOUNGE as the ultimate Neural-x 28.2 launch project.
Neural X contrary to atmos is an EGOCENTRIC rendering system, egocentric soundfields have existed in numerous archeological sites for at least 12,000 years. Am I saying that the druids had better around the head and through the head immersive audio in their sacrificial stone circles 3,000 BC than all of our home theaters? Absolutely, according to archeoacoustic findings.. The only problem with their venue is that it played only one program, the screams of people being sacrificed.
Secret Sauce elevation and azimuth angles device for true separation in overhead channels.
Let me just skip to the chase to announce that I have been able to surpass the seminal experience at the Gravity premiere in a condo, not only am i 100% confident that the wallscreen sound system is superior in Imaging and voice localisation to the picture killing woven screen center channel, the CEDIA community's lack of cojones to try something else when there is wide existing research to prove that behind the screen center is DEFINITELY not the most psychoacoustically natural, their lack of chutzpah to try another center channel solution (yes including phantom when the screen is not too big) is a major impediment to the successful deployment of these walls. Because I come from A Torus Screen Background, and giant optical rearprojection I had the tools already in my backpocket.
Here is how by using columns as diffusion the penthouse in San Diego achieves near perfect Native reverberation Times. Way superior to the sub 300 rt values of most dedicated theaters.
So the Neural-X Pro columns solve 80 percent of the acoustical and psychoacoustical issues that make home theater the sewer leak it is today.
.
Here is the top VP for Samsung The Wall, he thought it was a good marketing idea to partner with Steinway for Luxury Brand Recognition, however when i explained to him that both THX that bass manage at 80hz and Steinway which base manage at 160 and showed them how they criminally castrate all the directional cues that are part of our dna's expectation for a relalistic egocentric soundfield, when he compared both methods, he said this new approach is VERY EXCITING.
Then the next month I had a visit by the God of Immersive AUDIO, THE MAN THAT UNLEASHED ATMOS SUCCESSFULLY TO THE WORLD. I have been keeping him abreast of the progress (or lack of) because it has been three steps forward two back in my implementations at CEDIA and in Istanbul and Germany etc. He was coming to visit me prepared to criticisize to the the T. I told him, it's your turn to critize this time.
Ok this room above is my humble proof of concept of the SOLFAR wallscreen system of the future in California. You saw how the columns represented in my lab by the short towers breakup and redirect the acoustical energy to minimize the use of fabric walls. So this room is a mini version of the ideall wallscreen cinema for acoutics and immersive topology. The tops are also positioned the dolby cinema spacing not the HORRIBLE uninteligeble home atmos spacing.
Overall Andrew gave an incredible review, he asked are you a musician? because these speakers are excellent. Dynaudio, Alcons, Quested and Music Electroik Gethain all have the same type of house sound. The demo selections, the cadence, how they alternated to highlight different aspects of the immersive soundfield were far above what we can get permission from the studios (disney will ask for a release per showing occurence), so he praised the kaleidescape for its capacity to be the ultimate DEMO machine, that Dolby Labs could benefit from but due to their commitments and position in the industry they cannot use. Then I asked him how about no subwoofer (THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY needs to re examine the way subwoofers are used) they are the biggest impediment to revealing spatial bass clues in the 35-65- hz, it is a crime. He said that somehow the bass directional cues were very revealing and perfectly well balanced, i also asked him about my messing with time delays, he said again this is as good as an atmos experience (and Neural-X because Dolby is trying to improve in Neural-X with the Nexte Generation Consumer Upmixer, yes it has widths). This system is completely format agnostic ( wether you are playing 5.1 neural-X and atmos it sounds equally enveloping and indistinguishable). So there you go...
What did he not like? He wanted me to get a center channel as i had changed my media cabinet to one foot much wider than the tested design at the last minute. Also he said, you are not going to have Females permit so may tower speakers, otherwise it is as good as any of the mix studios i work with. Perfectly balanced in Many Levels.
SO I HAVE HAD a big problem conveying this system is a miniature version of the larger Walsscreen cinemas, because it looks cool they assume i am pushing this for regular condos, i have another solution for that involving balls.
The interior designer has expressed interest on this project, lets see.
So by limiting the audience to a sofa width, the system imaging performance goes through the roof.
That means position you speakers optimized for a selfish bastard row, fill the room with seats, they will not know in the shitty seats the difference. Selfih Bastard 101.
Here are some of the design drawings for the ideal sounding Wallscreen Cinema.
tbc
This is my response to Art Sonneborn's question about addressing the audio side of things as more and more walls are implemented in the home cinema. Posted here in the other forum. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...ls-future.html
"I know several of us here have dedicated rooms that are designed around an acoustically transparent screen. Some like me have a screen which accounts for the lions share of the front wall. I was wondering what folks think about the future since it appears that wall solutions are the future and audio solutions for rooms like ours will be dramatically different and perhaps yielding less satisfactory results sonically.
Any thoughts?"
YES! Plenty! As some may know I refocused my manufacturer product customization efforts from High-End Projection ( The Barco Thor HC is the last projector where my input was heavily implemented) to Personally Space Invasive Immersive Audio, after attending the Gravity Premiere at the Room Where Atmos was developed in Dolby Burbank. The capacity to be able to hear sounds around my head blew me away, some may recall me saying I will now refocus my efforts to this new exciting aspect of home cinema. From Psychovisual trickery to psychoacoustics trickery.
Unfortunately due to the lower count of objects in home audio and due to Dolby's really inferior guidelines when it comes to speaker positioning, I tried and tried and tried to recreate this personal space invasion to no avail, My demos with alcons won three years best in show but it was clear that the allocentric rendering espoused by all home theaters where you worry about all seat coverage at the sacrifice of all, rectangular shaped theaters I later found out are relatively new in the scale of human evolution. Our DNA is more comfortable elsewhere.
Neural-X Pro, however, something we were able to push DTS as catalysts to the Trinnov DTS-X PRO Release ( all we take credit is for bugging the crap out of the Director of Home DTS and spamming him with our penthouse project design documents) using our SOLFAR WALLSCREEN SKYLOUNGE as the ultimate Neural-x 28.2 launch project.
Neural X contrary to atmos is an EGOCENTRIC rendering system, egocentric soundfields have existed in numerous archeological sites for at least 12,000 years. Am I saying that the druids had better around the head and through the head immersive audio in their sacrificial stone circles 3,000 BC than all of our home theaters? Absolutely, according to archeoacoustic findings.. The only problem with their venue is that it played only one program, the screams of people being sacrificed.
Secret Sauce elevation and azimuth angles device for true separation in overhead channels.
Let me just skip to the chase to announce that I have been able to surpass the seminal experience at the Gravity premiere in a condo, not only am i 100% confident that the wallscreen sound system is superior in Imaging and voice localisation to the picture killing woven screen center channel, the CEDIA community's lack of cojones to try something else when there is wide existing research to prove that behind the screen center is DEFINITELY not the most psychoacoustically natural, their lack of chutzpah to try another center channel solution (yes including phantom when the screen is not too big) is a major impediment to the successful deployment of these walls. Because I come from A Torus Screen Background, and giant optical rearprojection I had the tools already in my backpocket.
Here is how by using columns as diffusion the penthouse in San Diego achieves near perfect Native reverberation Times. Way superior to the sub 300 rt values of most dedicated theaters.
So the Neural-X Pro columns solve 80 percent of the acoustical and psychoacoustical issues that make home theater the sewer leak it is today.
.Here is the top VP for Samsung The Wall, he thought it was a good marketing idea to partner with Steinway for Luxury Brand Recognition, however when i explained to him that both THX that bass manage at 80hz and Steinway which base manage at 160 and showed them how they criminally castrate all the directional cues that are part of our dna's expectation for a relalistic egocentric soundfield, when he compared both methods, he said this new approach is VERY EXCITING.
Then the next month I had a visit by the God of Immersive AUDIO, THE MAN THAT UNLEASHED ATMOS SUCCESSFULLY TO THE WORLD. I have been keeping him abreast of the progress (or lack of) because it has been three steps forward two back in my implementations at CEDIA and in Istanbul and Germany etc. He was coming to visit me prepared to criticisize to the the T. I told him, it's your turn to critize this time.
Ok this room above is my humble proof of concept of the SOLFAR wallscreen system of the future in California. You saw how the columns represented in my lab by the short towers breakup and redirect the acoustical energy to minimize the use of fabric walls. So this room is a mini version of the ideall wallscreen cinema for acoutics and immersive topology. The tops are also positioned the dolby cinema spacing not the HORRIBLE uninteligeble home atmos spacing.
Overall Andrew gave an incredible review, he asked are you a musician? because these speakers are excellent. Dynaudio, Alcons, Quested and Music Electroik Gethain all have the same type of house sound. The demo selections, the cadence, how they alternated to highlight different aspects of the immersive soundfield were far above what we can get permission from the studios (disney will ask for a release per showing occurence), so he praised the kaleidescape for its capacity to be the ultimate DEMO machine, that Dolby Labs could benefit from but due to their commitments and position in the industry they cannot use. Then I asked him how about no subwoofer (THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY needs to re examine the way subwoofers are used) they are the biggest impediment to revealing spatial bass clues in the 35-65- hz, it is a crime. He said that somehow the bass directional cues were very revealing and perfectly well balanced, i also asked him about my messing with time delays, he said again this is as good as an atmos experience (and Neural-X because Dolby is trying to improve in Neural-X with the Nexte Generation Consumer Upmixer, yes it has widths). This system is completely format agnostic ( wether you are playing 5.1 neural-X and atmos it sounds equally enveloping and indistinguishable). So there you go...
What did he not like? He wanted me to get a center channel as i had changed my media cabinet to one foot much wider than the tested design at the last minute. Also he said, you are not going to have Females permit so may tower speakers, otherwise it is as good as any of the mix studios i work with. Perfectly balanced in Many Levels.
SO I HAVE HAD a big problem conveying this system is a miniature version of the larger Walsscreen cinemas, because it looks cool they assume i am pushing this for regular condos, i have another solution for that involving balls.
The interior designer has expressed interest on this project, lets see.So by limiting the audience to a sofa width, the system imaging performance goes through the roof.
That means position you speakers optimized for a selfish bastard row, fill the room with seats, they will not know in the shitty seats the difference. Selfih Bastard 101.
Here are some of the design drawings for the ideal sounding Wallscreen Cinema.
tbc
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